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Really Stupid Criminals: The Wacky World Of Web Designers

It’s not often we find ourselves in agreement with the big beasts at Corbis and Getty Images, still more rare that we cheer their rottweiler legal departments [careful now – Ed]. But we’re open-minded types here at EPUK Towers, so we were highly entertained by the Guardian’s recent article on internet image theft. It seems that the Guardian has discovered that some people steal pictures from some other people to use on websites. The big news is that some of those other people are photographers represented by Corbis and Getty, whose legal departments have taken to pursuing the miscreants.

The Guardian article homes in on two examples: Geoff Cox, ‘who runs Quest Cars, a small cab company in Taunton’, and Julia Casimo, ‘who runs a small accountancy firm in Liverpool’. Note the use of the word ‘small’: the entire pitch was that these are local businesses who have suddenly found themselves bullied and threatened by evil foreign corporations. Casimo had been presented with a bill for £2,385.25 for unauthorised use of pictures; Cox a bill for £1,300. These were apparently both for one-year licenses. If they had licensed the images properly they would have paid £985 and £440 respectively for five-year terms. Casimo described the sum she had been asked to pay as “out of all proportion”.

The question is: out of all proportion to what, exactly? After all if the images play a critical part in a website which produces business, then paying for good pictures makes sound commercial sense. Fortunately Quest Cars quote their prices online, making it possible to not only put in context the cost of photography to Quest, but even more interestingly compare that cost with somebody – for instance a photographer – using Mr Cox’s services.

The figures make illuminating reading. The average cost of hiring a taxi from Quest Cars is 74.5 pence per minute, or £44.70 per hour. How do we know? Simple. Take the price quoted for a destination on the Quest website, check it against the time quoted for that journey on the RAC website, and you have Quest’s price per minute for usage.

Now let’s compare that with Getty’s price per minute for Quest’s website picture usage. If Quest had legally licensed a picture for 5 years it would have cost them £440; as it happened they didn’t and therefore got landed with a bill for £1,300 for only one year. That works out at approximately 15 pence per hour, or 0.25 pence per minute. But if Mr Cox had legally licensed the picture the cost would have been a mere penny an hour, or 0.017 pence per minute.

So just to put it in context, if Getty Images CEO Jonathan Klein hitches a ride with Mr Cox, it will cost Getty £44.70 an hour; but if Mr Cox uses Getty to promote his gas guzzling services it will cost Quest Cars £0.01 per hour. In fact Mr Cox only needs to get behind the wheel for less than 10 hours to cover the cost of licensing an image for 5 years. So perhaps Casimo is right when she says that the proportions are wrong: just not in the way she means.

But here’s the thing. Licensing pictures legitimately is a recognised business expense: it’s tax deductible. So if the likes of Cox and Casimo simply played by the rules the pictures would actually cost them considerably less than they claim. In fact for all the whining in the Guardian article, even Getty’s fees for unauthorised use can be written off against tax, something that seems to have escaped Ms Casimo the accountant.

However we’re not completely heartless here at EPUK. After all, Messrs Cox and Casimo didn’t actually build their own websites and didn’t themselves steal Getty’s pictures: they paid somebody else to do that, albeit unwittingly. In a sense they’re just collateral damage in the 21st Century intellectual property wars.

So what about the people who do the actual stealing? Most web designers spend a lot of time on the web: it’s the fact that they call themselves web designers that’s the giveaway. So it’s hard – really, really hard – to believe that any of them are not aware of the legalities of image use on the web.

A major source for the Guardian article are the Sitepoint forums, which describes itself as a ‘fast growing online media company and information provider targeting the Web professional market, specifically Web Developers and Designers.’ The actions by Getty and Corbis have generated close to 1,000 posts, and if anyone has any illusions about the attitude of many web designers to photographers’ copyright this post from one designer called Cakey should set them right: ‘The whole POINT OF GETTY IMAGES IS SO PEOPLE CAN USE THEIR IMAGES, ROYALTY FREE.’

A few – very few – posts do make the point that copyright infringement is theft; one even goes so far as to point out that the infringers would feel different if they had images at Getty that had been stolen. But such opinions are a tiny minority, and anyone daring to point out the realities of copyright law risked being flamed and accused of working for Getty. The general tone is one of panic and defiance, fuelled by the kind of pseudo legal advice that would cause blushes on even some photographers’ forums. At SitePoint it’s not so much a case of the blind leading the blind as the ignorant briefing the uninformed. Here are some titbits of webbie wisdom, and yes, it is interesting that they all use false names:

The presciently named Mr. Bankrupt was panic stricken: ‘Check this out guys, Corbis mean business:
http://www.lightstalkers.org/corbis_wins__20_million. Corbis is owned by Bill Gates, the richest man in the world, so they can afford the best lawyers. What can we do?’

Ishumko shared his hotline to the finest legal advice: ‘I talked to a copyright lawyer on the phone when this started. He never heard of Getty Images.’

Dynamed pondered: ‘I wonder if this whole Getty thing isn’t a phishing attempt (or similar scam) to get people to provide credit card or bank account information in order to pay the “fines”’.

Others, such as The Awakened One, appear simply deranged:
‘If you entice someone to commit a crime, it is not a crime. It is called entrapment. From what I have observed by studying Getty’s site and their agreements, Getty’s methods are designed to entrap and entice the unsuspecting with pictures that contain their logo and terms like Royalty Free. Essentially, it appears that they are depending upon the good natured adults of this predominantly Christian nation to comply with their demands.’

But when the chips are down and the lawyers come knocking the big talk disappears: literally. One SitePoint regular, realising that Getty were probably monitoring the posts, finally spoke to a real lawyer and began deleting their wisdom. Again and again and again and again:

‘I’m deleting all my comments. A quick search on Corbis in Google brings up this page at the top of their rankings. Not too sure about the implications just yet.’

‘I’m deleting my comments, as advised by my solicitors.’

‘I’m deleting my comments.’

‘Deleting my comments… eventually I will publish everything’

‘Comment deleted’

Given the attitudes on display it’s pretty hard to feel any sympathy for the SitePoint crew. The Guardian’s subhead described them as ‘careless web developers’, but that’s disingenuous at best. Back in the last century copyright and intellectual property were obscure issues of interest mainly to specialist lawyers, photographers and writers. But the digital age has changed all that: copyright got sexy. Practically very tin pot website in the world has a reference on it to copyright, including those built and run by the likes of those at the SitePoint forums who build their business by stealing other people’s property.

All that’s happening is that the technology that enabled their thieving is now developing to the stage where it can identify the thieves. Those who have been caught out try to characterise themselves as ‘the little people’ oppressed and extorted by malevolent corporations. But that’s just balls. One of the most common kinds of posts on the EPUK forums invariably begins ‘I’ve just found some pictures of mine on a website…’: websites built and run by exactly the kind of people now caught in the Getty/Corbis legal crosshairs.

The actions by Getty and Corbis may appear heavy-handed to some, but individual photographers and small agencies know how hard it is to prevent copyright theft, and even harder to collect from the culprits. One individual at SitePoint even brags about how he saw off a photographer in the past, hiring lawyers to threaten a suit for slander against the hapless smudger.

But now the crooks have come up against someone bigger and nastier than they are.

Well, tough.


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Comments on this article:

Finally – a bit of common sense. From reading web developer forums, you would think Getty and all were guilty of McCarthyism, when in the truth is, they are just trying to offer those who stole from them an option other then having to defend a breach of copyright case.

Comment #1 posted by Louise Campbell at 4 February, 11:07 PM

Web developers are like photographers, a broad spectrum of ability, knowledge, expertise and professionalism. Then along comes a client who understands neither photography nor the web and says ‘I want the cheapest’. Should anyone be surprised when it goes pearshaped because the cheapest were actually rubbish?

A look around Sitepoint reveals a majority of semi-skilled part-time wannabees, many of them barely out of short trousers, and whose entire comprehension of copyright derives from Limewire and cracked copies of Dreamweaver. Of course they squeal at having to pay for anything, but then they are working for beer money for clients who believe cheapest is best.

It’s all very reminiscent of pennystock sites and those hordes of all-rights-for-a-byline amateurs who insist pro’s are greedy luddites who ‘just don’t get the web’.

I know real pro web designers who are appalled by theft of material, just as we are, because it is their code and designs that get stolen and plagiarised by these monkeys. They are always fastidious about rights clearance. But they have to compete against the light-fingered ‘pro-ams’ on price, just the same, and of course they often cannot – they have overheads, they have invested, they need to make a living, they don’t think someone else’s hard work is free to steal.

Where all this white-heat of competition leads is the Darwinian elimination of most people who actually have a clue what they are doing. So I’m off to be an airline pilot. I always enjoyed FlightSim, I don’t mind being paid less than those stupid pro pilots who’ve done years of training and not landing upside-down on the M4 and have expensive peaked hats and moustaches to support. I can’t read maps that well, but I’ve got a TomTom, and a Tri Band Nokia so I can talk to air traffic control (I’ve a mate who does that as a hobby, we’ve practiced and it’s really not hard). We all want cheap flights don’t we? Some one will surely see the potential and hire me. I’m keen and unlike those silly old Biggles geysers I understand the fantastic opportunities created by the web. How hard can it be?

Comment #2 posted by Tony Sleep at 9 February, 02:34 PM

I’m a the same person who deleted all the comments from the sitepoint forum and you are quoting in this article. I also stated at a later date that I really, really regretted deleting my comments. Please get your facts straight before you quote any one of us.

Comment #3 posted by Tristana at 23 April, 08:50 PM

Roll On The Floor Laughing My Tail Off! You’re really, really not very bright – are you an Afghan Hound?

Please learn to read a calendar. This article is clearly dated 4 February 2007. Any regrets you may feel were expressed AFTER the date of publication, on 18 February 2007, therefore the facts in the article are straight and you were quoted accurately.

You seem to fit the title of the article remarkably well!

Comment #4 posted by Sqweegee at 2 May, 02:11 PM

I see the standard of legal advice at Sitepoint isn’t improving any:

Let’s counter-sue GttyImgs for extortion and harresment.

and

I just received my 1st (copyright infringement) letter today and waiting for the next, the following, the last…f**k those greedy b*sters !

I’ve no idea what a b*ster is. A blister ? Porsche Boxter ?

Comment #5 posted by Louise Campbell at 2 May, 04:14 PM

I’d understand the idea of supply and demand, but a digital picture costs nothing to copy…I mean no production costs…nothing. The money those companies get goes to them..it doesn’t go to the person who took the pic, or the models, or so forth, just them. I mean their costs alone for one or two covers the anyone else stealing a pic (it should seem). Many of these so-called criminals paid the person who got sued for 20 million. I don’t think Corbis has a case against those people, furthermore it seems all they are really doing is bulling people and hoping they will cave.

I just came across all of this stuff and I noticed that all these people are from the UK… surely they would find people in the US who are just as guilty… yet I’ve yet to see anyone come forward.

It is a lot like oil, the only differnce their resource is renewable which is quite outlandish for the price they are asking for mere pics.

Not a webmaster or website owner, just an observer.

(also… no one is sueing photobucket, or Myspace, or any of those Myspace sites that host stolen pictures openly… nope..they are just messing with small time people hoping they will give up the goods (for pictures that aren’t even remarkable to be begin with).

Comment #6 posted by Patrick Tillon at 23 May, 04:12 PM

Since these posts are monitored, you’re not getting the pleasure of my information. Suffice it to say that you’re incredibly arrogant and ignorant regarding this issue. Most of the people who have been nailed for infringement were not 1st notified with a cease and desist letter, which is common courtesy. In addition, they were billed an extortionary amount (as if Getty doesn’t charge enough in the first place). Third, they then were sent collection letters – as if the invoice had not been disputed – with apparently not one successful lawsuit against anyone. This is an unlawful collection practice and certainly a horrible way to conduct business. This said, I am NOT recommending piracy. I play music, and I write a blog. The last thing I want is people stealing either of these. But if I found someone using my image, or my article, without permission, I would not bill them and threaten legal action in a harsh letter. I would send them a cease and desist letter.

Why you would support Getty’s practice is, well, ignorant. That’s the best I can say for your letter.

Comment #7 posted by youdontdeserveit at 20 June, 06:11 AM

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